Bob Bobson’s Georgist Economy

Questions:

1. The target of the LVT is “the unearned profits on land [from] the Unimproved value of land, that is created by location value of the community”
So, in casual terms, the goal is to discourage a rich person from buying something, waiting for it to increase in value, and then selling it for profit without having contributed anything?

2. “You could defend slavery with that logic. First need to establish something ought to be owned.”

Which definition of property is implied by the second sentence?

3. “no one should claim ownership of the sun or the sky too 😀 thats all ‘land’ ‘land’ is vague term”
“Define property as the product of human labor. Not as naturally occurring opportunities.”
I also gathered e.g. “natural resources,” “legal privilege”and “intellectual property” from the wiki page, which seems to amount to this:
Everything except the part of a product that is the product of labour should be considered owned by the community and therefore taxed/rented. Is this a correct interpretation?
Why isn’t intellectual property considered entirely a product of labour?
Consider an air pollution tax/rent, would this not required a global community?
Would everyone have to pay rent for the things in their house, including the house? Would they pay rent for an apple for the duration between purchase and consumption?
 
4. What about land that nobody owns? Is that a problem? How would a private person or an organization, like a state or a community, go about when attempting to make use of a piece of unowned land? What if a person that belongs to a community surrounds a piece of unowned land with either a wall or armed guards to prevent the community or other people from mixing the land with their labour but doesn’t have to pay any rent since the community hasn’t been able to claim it yet?
 
5. In my view, the universe is material and so everything in it would be part of “natural resources.” So there is no product that isn’t at least partially natural and thus unjustified property. The homesteading principle solves this problem by justifying anything as property as soon as you’ve just touched it. Homesteading seemed like a decent idea when John Locke was alive, but the human population has increased more than 1,000% since then. Either way, how does Georgism solve it?

Answers:

1 , yes in part , 2, its more of a question what is property, 3, yes roughly correct, and knowledge is shared exp

3…altho disagreement in the school on IP too 😀 and yes ulitmately the policy is universal, the air is commons, and no unimproved value
They would occupy it, and in doing so become the rightful propieters if it was unoccupied/unused, 😀 as with any property norms, law enforce

Yes, when we go to space, that is land too, and yes ‘location’ has unimproved value 😀 that is the thing we think should be shared

atm in UK 90% of land is unbuilt on, there is a housing shortage, large land owners sit on land, blocking building, etc

If ppl who sit on land had to pay rent, would stop such speculation, and help unleash ability for ppl to build homes etc just one benefit
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3 Responses to “Bob Bobson’s Georgist Economy”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    #4 would depend on other factors, what other type of society we live in, if it was today and we had LVT, and someone refused to pay their rent to the community, similar thing to what happens if you dont pay your taxes,
    all systems require some force to impose them on the unwilling, 😦

    #5 i agree, the commons/land applies universality, to other planet etc, to everything, and having occupation as the primary criteria for properiter status is imo the most justified too

    as human population increases, and the location monopoly excludes more ppl , well this is partly why I speak of Recompense for the loss of a natural inheritence, and generall advocate some form of Social dividiend/unconditional income too 🙂

  2. enleuk Says:

    #2 “its more of a question what is property”

    So what is your definition of property? E.g. does it exclude people from being able to own other people and other sentient beings?

    #3 “knowledge is shared exp”

    But it takes personal effort to learn things and people also invent things using thoughts that go beyond what they could have learned from others.

    If only labour should be untaxed, then shouldn’t possession of all natural resources, including holding an apple, sitting in a house with walls made of wood, using a tool made of steel etc be taxed?

    #5 “having occupation as the primary criteria for properiter status is imo the most justified”

    Does this mean e.g. that factory workers are entitled to owning their factory?

    “homesteddingish is part of the solution too”

    Homesteading or homesteading-ish? Would you like to see a modified version of it?

    Two side-notes:

    “as with any property norms, law enforce”

    This is why I am opposed to all artificial concepts of property.

    “all systems require some force to impose them on the unwilling”

    If a system needs to be violently enforced and people don’t want the system, then it is not a good system.

  3. Anonymous Says:

    Yes, believe in the innate value of sapience and sentience, natural rights etc, i even do think that applies to some other species too,

    Its why ppl who make these arguments, talk of ‘unimproved value’ a lot of the time, the improvement value, the primary benefits should go tot he ones doing the effort,

    I think yes, ppl who work and produce capital own a share of that capital, i do favour employee-ownership models, but im not totally against wage-labour if its a free choice, (not free choice atm due to all the regulations and incentives that produce the business models we have)

    All systems require force, i argue generally for volutnaryism, but what happens when someone doesnt agree? and trys to harm an innocent, etc. 🙂

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